LOST thoughts, Allie-style

[alliecat8]

Y'all know me, right? I can't ever talk about something coherently -- whether it's a vacation or a tv show -- right after it happens. I have to mull it over first, and then what comes out are a bunch of impressions and theories and wtf's. I think I've finally sorta mostly gotten my head around the Lost season premiere and I'm ready to talk about it...hopefully somebody will wanna talk about it with me. So here goes.

Here be theories, questions, and thoughts of much randomness, but no spoilers beyond the premiere.



Why haven't I heard this mentioned anywhere? Granted, I haven't been to the message boards, but if anybody on LJ noticed this, I didn't hear about it. LOOK at this guy!




Look familiar? Is this Sawyer's body double? Are they gonna go there, with everybody having a "twin" back in the past, maybe with the Dharma group? Or did they just throw this guy in there to mess with our minds, just in case some weirdo like me noticed? I also noticed that he's wearing a wedding ring. Hmmmm. Just what has past-life Sawyer been up to?

Speaking of Sawyer (and when am I *not* speaking of Sawyer???), when Jack told Ben why he needed to go back so bad, the first thing he thought of was Sawyer. If he doesn't go back, Sawyer will die. Oh, and Juliet and the others, too, but I LOVE it that the first name on his lips was Sawyer's. Maybe Jack has finally learned to appreciate his friend. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, right?

Now about Kate and that blood test. I've heard lots of wild theories about how it's the Dharma people, or Widmore's people, or Ben's people (whoever they are), but maybe there's a simpler answer. When Claire's mother introduced herself to Jack, Kate was standing there holding baby Aaron. What if Claire's mother -- who was in Australia, remember -- heard (from Mullen, maybe?) that Kate wasn't six months pregnant when the plane went down. Or what if she had sense enough to notice that "Kate's" baby was WAY older than the 5-week-old Kate said he was. What if she got suspicious that "Kate's" baby might in fact be Claire's? It'd make sense, then, that she'd want a blood test. As for why it took her 3 years, well, this is Lost. Who knows? But if she loved Christian, maybe she wants to know and/or raise his grandchild; her dead daughter's son. It could be nothing more sinister than that...although this is Lost, so I'm probably nuts for trying to simplify anything.

I'm afraid that Desmond is going to be their loose cannon. Apparently Daniel's "street" analogy doesn't apply to Desmond. Daniel says that they can go forward and backward on the street, but it's impossible for them to make a new street -- meaning that although they can visit other times, they can't re-write either the past or the future. With Desmond, however, it seems to be possible to re-write time. Island!Desmond had never met Daniel before, but then Daniel DID meet him in the past, and suddenly Desmond remembers it. By Daniel's analogy, they made a new street. So Desmond is "special." Now, what if something happens in his life that he can't bear? What if Penny dies (perhaps in childbirth; haven't we seen her giving birth in the previews?) and Desmond can't stand it. Can he create a new "street" -- a new timeline in which Penny *doesn't* die?

What effect would that have? Well, if everything that happens influences everything else, it would create a "butterfly effect" -- if a butterfly flaps its wings in China, it might set off a chain reaction that causes a tsunami in the Pacific. Like dominos falling, the lives of everyone we know on Lost could change. Maybe Sawyer's father didn't kill his mother and himself. Maybe Kate didn't kill her father. Maybe Jack didn't take up for Marc on the playground. What if Locke didn't give Cooper his kidney? And so on and so on. Suddenly the people we "know" could become people we don't know at all. The ramifications blow my mind.

And then there's Locke. Remember when Locke said that Boone was a "sacrifice" the island demanded? Now Richard is telling him that he, Locke, will have to die. Now Locke is a sacrifice the island demands. I keep hearing what Duckett whispered to Sawyer, "It'll come back around."

Oh, my brain hurts but I'm a glutton for punishment; I've missed my hurty brain so bad! I LOVE MY SHOW!!!!! Is it Wednesday yet????????????????

Comments

[eponine119.livejournal.com]

D pointed out the cameraman in her talking about the episode, but good job with the screen cap. It looks so much like Sawyer I don't see how it could be coincidence, but, well...it's happened before.

(I had that whole "back in time/double" thought at least twice in season 2. But assuming I'm not crazy psychic they must have laid the groundwork for it.)

The Kate baby charade still makes no sense to me. She wasn't pregnant when the got on the plane -- she would have had to have been like 6 mos. pregnant when the plane crashed, and...she wasn't. And Claire, I still refuse to believe that her aunt or SOMEONE didn't notice she was huge, even if her mother was in a coma and "didn't know."

The butterfly effect is a huge issue in time travel. Like, why there is no time travel, or something. I don't think it fits with the string theory they're playing with. But they'll have it both ways because they're like that.

Same with Boone, Locke and the plane. I was expecting Locke to knock the plane out of the tree, which means it wouldn't have killed Boone. Then again, with Desmond's flashes they've set the precedent that the universe eventually rights itself, despite intervention, so Boone still would have died.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

I guess I missed D's review :(, but yeah, I noticed that guy right away and the more I looked, the more he looked like our Sawyer. I'm sure it was deliberate that he was half-hidden behind the camera -- they were messing with our minds again.

The thing about Lost -- and this is a Big Thing -- is deciding what's important and what's not. Darlton plants things that have no meaning whatsoever but look like they might be meaningful clues, and then I think they sit back and chuckle at all the mind-fuckery it creates on the message boards. BUT, I remember back at the start of S2 when Josh said something about 2 of the guys on the Others' boat being twins, and he said that the "twin" theme was going to be very important. Then, the scene he was referring to was cut so that we couldn't see that the guys were twins, as if Darlton decided that they didn't want to get into that yet. But still, there've been just enough hints -- the book Bad Twin comes to mind -- to make me think that the twin theme, or the body doubles or the clones or whatever, is something to keep an eye on. You and I could talk about some spoilers we've seen, too, but we'll save that for email. ;)

The charade about Kate's pregnancy makes about as much sense as her farce of a trial does. I think that's an example of Darlton stretching creative license past its logical limit. We just have to roll our eyes and go with it, and pretend it makes sense. It took me a long time to come to terms with that, but I've finally just taken the fatalistic attitude that they're gonna do it whether we agree or approve or not, so if we want to enjoy the show we've gotta roll with it. In other words, we've just gotta swallow their stupidity. I'm gonna do it, because otherwise I'll be miserable for the next two years. Sigh.

I think they WILL have it both ways with the string theory, and that's what Desmond's role is. And possibly Walt's, too, if they bring him back -- he's apparently "special," too. I don't know if Desmond himself can change the past or the future, but we DO know that Daniel can change things FOR Desmond. So it's like Daniel knows how to manipulate Desmond and put him on a different string, one where his memories are changed because of something Daniel did, just like he did Eloise. That could open up all kinds of disturbing possibilities.

I think the big issue, in the end, is, if they mess with time, what'll it take for the universe to right itself. That could be cataclysmic.

[zelda-zee.livejournal.com]

Well, you know I'm really not one to speculate on island mysteries and such, but someone suggested that it might be Sun who's behind the demand for a blood test, since despite her protestations to the contrary, it certainly didn't seem like she forgave Kate for her part in Jin's death.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

No, Sun didn't seem very full of the milk of human kindness where Kate was concerned, did she? I think she's got some revenge up her sleeve, so you could very well be right. At the pace Lost answers its questions, though, we probably won't know til the end of the season. This is why you are SMART not to speculate!

*headdesk*

[janie-tangerine.livejournal.com]

And then there's Locke. Remember when Locke said that Boone was a "sacrifice" the island demanded? Now Richard is telling him that he, Locke, will have to die. Now Locke is a sacrifice the island demands. I keep hearing what Duckett whispered to Sawyer, "It'll come back around."

HI most hateful sentence ever pronounced on this show! ;) lol seriously, that's a theory. Even if I doubt that Locke will stay dead actually. They'll bring him back someway.

Regarding Sawyer at the beginning... I hadn't noticed that but he does look like him. Maybe at one point they all go back to the seventies, find a way to stay there and they start working for Dharma a la Daniel? Maybe while Desmond tries to fix whatever needs fixing? Also, if Penny dies either he finds himself another constant or I fear things will be grim, but I don't want to consider the option.

I totally agree re Kate's blood test. I want to take the sane route for once and maybe it'd be a nice way for them to bring Claire into the game? I hope, at least. Ouch, brain hurts indeed.

And ha, and Jack HAS started to appreciate his friend indeed. Or so it seems.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

Oh, I totally agree with your hunch that Locke won't stay dead. I catch myself forgetting that he's dead, because I'm so sure he won't be dead for long.

I also agree with your idea that they might go back to the seventies and Dharma. That would answer a lot of questions, and they might even be able to tell Danielle's story that way.

Desmond without Penny would be a tragedy of cataclysmic porportions, I'm afraid. *bites nails*

I hope that when Jack and Sawyer are finally reunited, they'll have both learned to appreciate each other. Sawyer was already well on his way, but Jack was oblivious. A true friendship between the two of them would be a very refreshing change!

[tellshannon815.livejournal.com]

I thought of that with Boone and Locke! I totally want to see that happen at some point, Boone appearing to Locke and saying something like "So how's it feel, John? Taking my place as the sacrifice that the island demanded."

Oh, the plot bunnies that paragraph about the butterfly effect created! I've been meaning for months (but not got round to it) to do something with the idea that the implosion of the hatch sent Eko back in time to the day of Yemi's death giving him the chance to save his brother, and I've also considered in the past the one about Locke and the kidney.

That scene with Locke and Ethan also gave me the idea that Juliet could go back and ditch Goodwin, in an attempt to save his life...my head is beginning to hurt!

Just don't get me started on the Kate thing. I still don't really see any reason why they couldn't have come up with some story of Claire dying in childbirth and then given Aaron to Carole and Lindsey to raise. For God's sake, he can't speak, at that age he won't have formative memories of Claire and the island, he's not gonna give them away!

/rant

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Boone owes Locke a big dose of "what goes around, comes around," doesn't he? I really really hope we get to see that!

Oh, the plot bunnies re:the Butterfly Effect are endless! Who would they all be, if their lives had been different? The thought totally blows my mind!

The Claire thing -- you're right, of course. I guess they didn't know that Carole and Lindsey existed when they made up their story, so they don't think they can backtrack and tell another story now. But it's morally wrong, and Kate knows it; she just doesn't care. Oops, now *I'm* the one who's ranting!

[siluria]

Lost does make the brain hurt, but Lost+time travel is just a recipe for migraines :)

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

Great icon, as always! :)

I hope they keep the time-travel simple, as in, they can't alter time for any reason. But Daniel seems to be able to alter Desmond's experiences, so....

I'll just let Jack speak for me. *points*

[siluria]

LOL - Thank you!! I try to be prepared by having a good stash of Lost icons, but I realised it was impossible to preempt the show, so I find this one covers all bases ;) However, I think that one of Jack covers them in a much prettier way *stares*

Simple time-travel would be most welcome!!!!! I'm sensing it's not going to happen!

[gregoria44.livejournal.com]

Hurty head here, too...

Hand me the paracetamol, I'm going in for more!

Honestly, I'm not even going to think about the ramifications of the time travel bznz: there's hurty head and then there's explodey head, which is much, much harder to clean up (as Sayid would no doubt testify.)

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

LOL about Sayid -- he *is* an expert on 'splodey!heads, isn't he? Though he seems to be very bad about cleaning up after himself!

[elliotsmelliot.livejournal.com]

Before Dan turned up, I was looking for the Losties in that opening sequence, and I spotted the Sawyer-like camera man too. There was also a fakish Bernard and Rose in Richard's camp at the end of S4. Weird, but probably nothing.

Personally I don't get how time travel cannot change things. I would love to see things gets mixed up. It's more interesting that way, otherwise it's just history repeating, and sigh, the Losties really have no good history to repeat!

Can he create a new "street" -- a new timeline in which Penny *doesn't* die?

If so, I'll give him my address, and his new street will lead him to my door! Sorry, that is just where my mind went.

Penny didn't look pregnant in the premiere so I don't know if the baby has been already born or if Desmond is flashing to the future (which is my hope, because we don't need anymore babies, and not until everyone is safe.)

Now Locke is a sacrifice the island demands.

Cool! I had not though of it that way. What goes around comes around, which Richard also just mentioned in regards to Ethan's shooting.

Share your theories anytime!

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they're probably just messing with our minds with the body doubles, but what Josh said about twins makes me wonder.... (but not too hard, since Lost has made my brain very fragile lately!)

If it turns out that they *can* alter history, it could be very good or it could be very bad. I'm thinking about Sawyer (of course!) and who he might be if he hadn't suffered the tragedy that defined his life. I'm not sure I'd love him as much without all the angst and the snark and the baggage!

I don't think Penny was pregnant in the premiere, but maybe Desmond is hopping around in time again? And yes, babies seem to mean nothing but trouble on that show -- no more, indeed!

(and yet, I use my icon anyway... ;) )

[711gambit.livejournal.com]

I think part of what we have seen in the past with the twinning is just practical: there are all these stand-ins hanging around the set for the actors, and they tend to get used when a crowd of Others or Lostaways are needed.

But the twins in this episode seemed a lot more deliberate: the camera focused on the Sawyer twin, and one of the LA cops that came to Hurley's house was deliberately suggestive of Abbadon.

I don't think these are supposed to be twins per se as much as they are there to reinforce the idea of parallel lives, and parallel streams of time. Despite what Daniel says, I think we are going to see our characters, or at least some of them, jump to a parallel street over the course of the last two seasons.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

there are all these stand-ins hanging around the set for the actors, and they tend to get used when a crowd of Others or Lostaways are needed.

That is very good thinking. You're probably right. But I'm glad you thought that it seems more significant now -- maybe they're finally getting to the storyline that Josh hinted at all those years ago. I agree that these people might be, rather than twins, "alters" of the people we know. For instance, cameraman!Sawyer could be the incarnation of James if he'd somehow been a part of the Dharma initiative. But we know that if they meet "themselves" in a different time it spells disaster (at least it does if you're a bunny!), so it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out, if you're right. The possibilities are endless, disturbing, and kind of fascinating!