Lost 5:05

[alliecat8]

What was the name of this episode? THAT'S how unspoiled I was; I didn't even know its name!

*is ashamed*

Anyhow, no spoilers beyond tonight's show, not even previews. And I'm ready to collapse into bed, so I will read and comment on ALL of your reviews first thing in the morning! Pinkie promise. ♥



As usual, this won't be a real review. I'll leave out important stuff because I don't know what the hell it means, yet. But here's what my brain has muddled through so far:

FIRST, MAKE MY SAWYER STOP BLEEDING. JACK, GET TO YOUR BOY STAT!!!!!

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The flashes have always reminded me of contractions. They're like a woman in labor, all the more so since Lost seems to be fixated on the birth process. The "contractions" have been coming closer and closer together. Then Locke turns the wheel, like a doctor performing an assisted birth...and where will our people be delivered to in the end? I think the flashes will be over with in the next episode and the *I*6 (see below) will finally be able to rest...somewhere. sometime.

I see two groups. I see the *O*6 back in the real world -- Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, and Aaron. I see the *I*6 on the island -- Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles. Each group has their leader -- Jack in the real world and Sawyer on the island. Each group has a seventh member, a loose cannon -- Ben and Locke, each with his own agenda. Each trying to manipulate his own group into believing that his agenda is in the best interest of everyone in the group. Jack's group is the most unruly one. At least Sawyer's group sticks together, even if they don't always agree. It's hard to make people *want* to go back to the island (and I'm so glad that my Jack wants to go; he has to save Sawyer yet again, of course!). It's even a hard sell for the *I*6, because the two who love members of the O6 -- Jin and Sawyer -- want the people they love to be happy, and they assume that they're happier (or at least, safer) off the island. As always, it's impossible to get those people to agree about anything!

I warned you, here be much randomness: Charlotte said that back when she was a little girl, a man told her never to come back to the island. He said that the island meant death. She said that man was Daniel. If she's right, then Daniel tried to change time. He's already done that with Desmond. Somehow I have a hard time buying his admonitions to Sawyer and the others that it's useless to try, since he seems to be doing it all over the place. Is he doing to them what I do to my kids, saying, "Do as I SAY, not as I DO?" Pfffft!

Oh, Locke. You're going to be "a sacrifice the island demanded," just like you told Boone he was. Doesn't sound so noble when the shoe is on the other foot (your own), does it? Would it be inappropriate for me to say, "NEENER"?

One last observation: Sawyer was holding the rope when time shifted and obliterated the well. [I'm assuming it flashed forward, since the rope was still there, but anyway.] Me, I had a sudden flashback, to when Sawyer buried Nikki and Paulo alive.

I'm thinking that the last two paragraphs have one thing in common. Whisper it with me, Frank Duckett: "It'll come back around."

Comments

[elise-509.livejournal.com]

You're going to be "a sacrifice the island demanded," just like you told Boone he was. Doesn't sound so noble when the shoe is on the other foot (your own), does it? Would it be inappropriate for me to say, "NEENER"?


LMAO, *loves you* So true, so true.

I'm not sure if they flashed forward or back at the end, because if they "have" something, like they're holding onto it, it comes with them in the time move. So Sawyer had the rope in his hands so it came with him. I think they moved back in time, because if it was the future, they would be in the Orchid Station or there would be some kind of Orchid Station ruins.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

I hope you're right, that they flashed back -- it'd make a better place for them to "land" if they ended up in the past rather than the future, because in the past there will probably be people and places we recognize. In the future all I can think of is that there'll be yet another group of 6, called TNG (the next generation) 6 -- grown-up Aaron, Ji Yeon, Clementine, Charlie, Julian, and Walt. OMG, no. Just, no.

[elise-509.livejournal.com]

Aaron, Ji Yeon, Clementine, Charlie, Julian, and Walt.

Omg, yikes and NO. don't say such things, allie! they might come true!

[mysticxf.livejournal.com]

Erm, I kind of see the leader of the Island people as Daniel, not Sawyer. He has a gun and is barking, but, seems like he's being told to STFU in every scene (mostly by Juliet).

And Sawyer didn't really object the way Jin did to bring back someone he "loved". Jin was very adamant that John NOT bring Sun back; Sawyer kind of wanted to get the Return party started, offering to lower John into the hole. And he was aware that Locke was going to BRING BACK the O6.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

I'm going by all of the interviews I've read about S5, which've said that Sawyer is coming into his own as a leader. And they do follow him, even though Juliet is trying to keep him calm. The islanders hardly know Daniel; he hasn't paid enough "dues" yet to earn the leadership position.

As for them bringing back the O6, Locke asked Sawyer, "Don't you want to bring her back," and Sawyer said, "It don't matter what I want." He wants what's best for her.

[emiliglia.livejournal.com]

If she's right, then Daniel tried to change time. He's already done that with Desmond. Somehow I have a hard time buying his admonitions to Sawyer and the others that it's useless to try, since he seems to be doing it all over the place. Is he doing to them what I do to my kids, saying, "Do as I SAY, not as I DO?" Pfffft!

Yes but he said that before Charlotte died, and he ~*loves*~ her, so he would even try to muck up time if it meant her not dying. (And he's singing "If I Could Turn Back Time" while doing it. :P)

Oh, Locke. You're going to be "a sacrifice the island demanded," just like you told Boone he was.

I thought that too. Bah. Still bitter about Boone and Shannon dying, here!

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean about Daniel acting out of love for Charlotte. When he told her as a little girl not to return to the island, he already knew what would happen if she did. Of course he'd try to change that outcome. That makes me think that he knows that it IS possible to change time, but he knows when he's thinking rationally that it's against the "rules."

LOL, perfect song choice! What year did it come out? Maybe that's when they'll "land," and the first thing we'll see is a record player or an 8-track or an iPod playing that (depending on which decade it is!).

[inthekeyofd.livejournal.com]

Locke is a sacrifice...HAHAHAHA, I loved it when Christian..cough..Jacob said that to him.

Boone FINALLY gets his revenge!!!!!!!

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

Yup, it would've been sweeter if Boone had been there to say "NEENER" himself! But we know he's doing it in the afterlife. ;)

[eponine119.livejournal.com]

The thing with Daniel "changing" time is that it's like with Desmond...a sudden remembrance of something "forgotten" when it happens in the alternate/affected timeline. For Daniel, it obviously had no effect though, unless it spiralled through in some other timeline but that's even more paradoxical. I don't know, it just annoys me. and yes, it's very "I make the rules but they don't apply to me!"

I'm not super sure Sawyer offered to lower Locke down the rabbit hole so Locke could bring Kate back to the island for him...last week's episode where Sawyer saw Kate and then said "what's done is done" (or whatever he actually said) indicated to me that he realized they were each in the place where they belonged. But I guess then the question is, why did he offer? To be helpful and polite? Or an attempt at foreshadowing? The world may never know...

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm...I just got up so I'm probably confused, but, did I make it sound like I was saying that Sawyer went along with Locke because he wanted to bring Kate back? I didn't even think about his reasons for doing it (I'll have to re-watch and do that!), but I definitely *don't* think that Sawyer wants to bring Kate back. Like I said up there ^^^, everything he's said so far has indicated that even if he wants her back, he doesn't believe she should come back. He's thinking of what's best for her, not him, and I really think he believes that she's best-off where she is.

[janie-tangerine.livejournal.com]

Oh, Locke. You're going to be "a sacrifice the island demanded," just like you told Boone he was. Doesn't sound so noble when the shoe is on the other foot (your own), does it? Would it be inappropriate for me to say, "NEENER"?

I CALLED IT LAST JUNE. And after last episode? Gosh, was I in GLEE when Christian was speaking. Sorry. I'm not exactly easy on Locke these days. Sure, I'd have liked it better if Boone had said it himself *cough* but I get that it had to be Christian.

I think Daniel tried to change time and since he isn't Desmond, it didn't work. Sorry, Daniel. Very sorry. Also because at the beginning of the first episode he was seen in Dharma locations so maybe they flashed back to Dharma days and when Locke turned the wheel they ended up stuck there? Which is why I think they flashed back anyway.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

I thought that Locke's original statement about Boone being a "sacrifice that the island demanded" was incredibly arrogant and unfeeling, so I'm with you -- I'm GLAD he now gets to know what that feels like.

OH, I like the way you put it regarding Daniel and Desmond! I think you're right -- the only one who can actually CHANGE the past is Desmond. So even though Daniel *tried* to break the law of the universe, he failed. I wonder if he'll try to use Desmond to bring Charlotte back, eventually?

I'm pretty sure you're right, that they've flashed back to Dharma days. I have a feeling they'll stay there, at least for a while. I've thought things were progressing slowly (and maybe even a bit boringly), but if we're right, it should all start to get *very interesting* by the next episode! Squee!

[alemyrddin.livejournal.com]

I like your O6/I6 plus 1 idea. It makes a lot of sense.

Somehow I have a hard time buying his admonitions to Sawyer and the others that it's useless to try, since he seems to be doing it all over the place.
You are right about this, too, but I think Dan is not acting rationally when he's doing that, he simply can't help himself. He has to try to save Charlotte, even if he knows that he's going to fail. And that's heartbreaking. The other possibility is that after the o6 come back to the island and maybe Dan meet his mother, they will find a way to change the past and the future. But I wouldn't bet on that.

"NEENER" LOL. Actually, it's just fair.

About Sawyer and the well, I think they flashed back in time, and the well hadn't been built it. Just like the guns or the rubber boat, everything they are holding moves with them, so the rope moved too. But I can be wrong, of course. ;)

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

I agree with you about trying to change the past. It would be only human nature to try to save your loved one if there was any chance you could, and Daniel took that chance. But he knows, just as Sawyer seems to instinctively know, that the past *can't* be changed. This worries me with regard to Desmond, if in fact he (and only he) CAN change the past. What if something happens to his loved ones? Will he make the same sort of emotional decision that Dan did? And what would be the consequences of that...not just to him, but to the entire world? They call it "the butterfly effect" -- if even the tiniest thing changes, then its effects ripple through the whole world and that can cause catastrophic results. Yeah, that worries me.

OH, I think you're right about Sawyer holding the rope. I'd just assumed that they were still in the boat because they'd stayed in the time period where the boat still existed, but now that I think about it, it seems to be true that they take whatever they're holding onto with them. That makes sense...in a Lost kind of way. ;)

[gottalovev.livejournal.com]

I like your 2 groups parallels.

and as I said elsewhere, maybe when Dan will go see little Charlotte, he will do the mistake that leads her to die because he should not have done so. putting events in motion that make her so susceptible to the time shifts. would be kind of sad, though.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

he will do the mistake that leads her to die because he should not have done so.

That is a very sad and depressing possibility. I hope that it doesn't turn out to be the case. I'd rather it be that Charlotte was doomed to die no matter what, and nothing Daniel did or could have done would have changed that. He's the one who keeps telling the others that they can't change time...but maybe he didn't know that when he approached "little Charlotte." Or maybe he already loved her so much that his emotions overrode his common sense. Any way you look at it, poor Daniel. :(

[deej240z.livejournal.com]

So why is Sawyer getting a nosebleed before Danny Boy? Daniel should have been getting them right after Char since he's been obviously screwing around with time on the island for quite a while. Pfft.

[alliecat8.livejournal.com]

I don't know WHY Sawyer got a nosebleed! If they're right that the nosebleeds correspond to how long you've been on the island, then the effects seem to be cumulative. Charlotte, of course, has been on the island the longest, since she grew up there. Miles...well, he thinks he's only been on the island since he flew there from the freighter, but Daniel asked him if he was sure of that -- as if Dan knew something about Miles' past that Miles doesn't know. Then Juliet got a nosebleed, and we know that she's been on the island for three years. Sawyer was next, but why did he get one and not Jin? If they both arrived on the island for the first time when Flight 815 crashed, then they should *both* have noesbleeds, right? Now I'm flashing back to Sawyer's reaction to Room 23, and I'm wondering if Sawyer has been on the island before and doesn't remember it. Whatever the case, our boy had better not be in danger! *clings to him*

*makes room for you to cling, too*