Lost LAX (spoilers,natch)
Feb. 5th, 2010 05:15 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
alliecat8This review will be different. No questions. No shipping. fine. that's just a teeny lie No zillion things you've read/heard/discussed before. Weariness is a theme here, but I don't want to inflict the real thing on you. And I won't even say WTF once.
The most poignant thing in that episode was Flocke (of all people, the one I had the least sympathy for) saying that he "just wants to go home." Home where? He is not Locke. He's not going back to Tustin, California. So let's think about where the entity that becomes the smoke monster might live. My first thought is the cabin...I think it's his. The "entity" -- I like calling him Esau for now -- seems to need a dead body to inhabit, and in "The Beginning of the End" -- a title that gets better with age, now that we know more -- Ben was talking to an empty chair and *someone's* (Christian's) body was desperately trying to manifest itself. It couldn't, so something went into a rage, then cried "help me!"
Jacob - the "white" entitiy - lives quietly in a temple, albeit a blemished one. Perhaps "Esau" - the "dark one" - just wants to go home to live in his own little house.
They both seem to want to rest. They're tired of the game, whatever that game might be.
When Jacob died, the water turned brackish and lost its healing powers. When Sayid arose from the dead, the water was pure. I don't believe that the "risk" was of Sayid losing his innocence as Ben did -- Sayid had none to lose. Maybe now Sayid is pure. Perhaps not human, either, but pure. If anyone's soul needed cleansing, it was his...although like everyone on Lost, he was capable of selflessness, friendship, and love, in spite of it all. We got to see who he IS vs. what he DID. Which is why I'm rooting for him.
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Everything's been said about the AU plane already (except what I'll say at the end). I just have to add, does eBay sell Frogurt's eyeshades? 'Cuz I want 'em.
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eponine119 say in her post? and there's our hero vs. hero battle we've been waiting for since season like one. but will it burn out the slashers if sawyer wants to kill jack? (I'm the only one who finds that hot?)
Uh, NO. And may I add for good measure, DUH. God, watching one of them want to seriously kill the other is the hottest thing next to watching one of them want to seriously sex the other!!! Your slash is safe, darling.
Sawyer won't kill Jack, of course, and he'd already changed his mind by the end (he was probably thinking of Cooper's theory that they're already IN hell). But not only did I AlREADY write Sawyer's (now canon) reaction during the luau (still itching to make it an epic Sawyer chasing Jack around the world trying to kill him book), but the two of them totally broke me.
I was also so busy already being broken by Sawyer and Juliet, who sold me on their love in three scenes, sue me if you must but I think I have a few lawyers on my flist. BUT OH. Poor Sawyer. Poor Jack. Sawyer with all that pain and rage in his eyes -- looking at Jack and seeing both Jack and his daddy superimposed, if he could've done something to him after he killed his mother. Sawyer loved Juliet perfectly without a single mistep...but I think she understood that he listened to her guidance and let her call him James and put her on a pedestal because she was a mother figure. That's the only way he knows how to truly love. And maybe that was the real reason she was pushing him "out of the nest," so to speak. (No, it's not gross to sleep with her if she really *isn't* his mother.) But I keep seeing that steel beam and thinking that Sawyer has developed a steel core -- he's not the charming sleaze we saw in the AU. There was no steel there.
Jack said he was sorry, I think Sawyer grudgingly and unsympathetically understood that he meant it. Jack was a pathetic figure (he'd been raised to believe that if he does *this*, then the world will do *that,* and it just didn't work that way and he can't understand why. Oh Jack. I love you more than ever, and the whole anti-Jack world can see above re: the suing.) ;) And Sawyer had the presence of mind to get Miles to find out what Juliet said. He's still thinking, which means he's still okay, still strong enough to survive, still capable of leading even though his comment to Miles to "stop calling him boss" indicated that he's reached Jack's level of weariness with the job. Desperately damaged, but he's been there before and whatever doesn't kill him only makes him stronger.
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Now, about the reboot. We saw a different scenario on the plane. We saw a different time on the island. We might have seen several different times on the island. Nothing made sense. There was no way to make it make sense. I can't and won't even try.
But, if infinity exists, then why can't there be an infinite number of reboots? (I swear I won't go too philosophical on your ass.) We're convinced there are only 2 reboots...but maybe we're conditioned to think that because we only have 2 feet for our boots. ;) (The statue is barefoot, btw, no boots, and yeah, it's the left foot both on land and underwater -- I strained my brain and my eyes to figure it out).
Think about an infinite number of possibilities, an infinite number of lives for our people, but maybe Darlton has chosen just a few -- say, for simplicity's sake, 2. Just for example, one where Juliet dies and is buried on the island, and one where she and James meet up for coffee - dutch. (Remember where the coffee led with Jack and Kate? Those who want to forget that part have my permission, but if we sub in Sawyer/Juliet...it could work.)
Lost could be about one or two of the infinite strings of threads that make up time and lives. Think of Jacob's tapestries. We are living only one thread, but Lost is showing us more than one thread of each character's life, obviously. It's almost silly to assume there are only 2 threads in progress. We're only seeing a couple because more than that would explode those of our brains that haven't spontaneously combusted yet.
Lost is a show that has pulled back every season to reveal more of the island, more of the people associated with it, and more of what it's there for. Yes, we old timers love the originals, but the show is about the island. I hope we'll see some redemption and some happy endings for some of our characters. But the real character is the island, and I can't wait to see if they pull back far enough to see ITS endgame (remember Jacob and Esau's conversation?)
Jacob: I take it you're here 'cause of the ship.
Esau: I am. How did they find the Island?
Jacob: You'll have to ask 'em when they get here.
Esau: I don't have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren't you?
Jacob: You are wrong.
Esau: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.
I want to see the end, whatever it is. And I think it has something to do with Richard, who is immortal and was brought to the island, presumably by Jacob on the Black Rock, in chains, for a reason. Jacob wanted him...and yeah Z, go ahead and interpret/WRITE it your way because, um, *drools*...because Richard might be the exception to time.
Time. Timelessness. Lost is about one of these.
The most poignant thing in that episode was Flocke (of all people, the one I had the least sympathy for) saying that he "just wants to go home." Home where? He is not Locke. He's not going back to Tustin, California. So let's think about where the entity that becomes the smoke monster might live. My first thought is the cabin...I think it's his. The "entity" -- I like calling him Esau for now -- seems to need a dead body to inhabit, and in "The Beginning of the End" -- a title that gets better with age, now that we know more -- Ben was talking to an empty chair and *someone's* (Christian's) body was desperately trying to manifest itself. It couldn't, so something went into a rage, then cried "help me!"
Jacob - the "white" entitiy - lives quietly in a temple, albeit a blemished one. Perhaps "Esau" - the "dark one" - just wants to go home to live in his own little house.
They both seem to want to rest. They're tired of the game, whatever that game might be.
When Jacob died, the water turned brackish and lost its healing powers. When Sayid arose from the dead, the water was pure. I don't believe that the "risk" was of Sayid losing his innocence as Ben did -- Sayid had none to lose. Maybe now Sayid is pure. Perhaps not human, either, but pure. If anyone's soul needed cleansing, it was his...although like everyone on Lost, he was capable of selflessness, friendship, and love, in spite of it all. We got to see who he IS vs. what he DID. Which is why I'm rooting for him.
********
Everything's been said about the AU plane already (except what I'll say at the end). I just have to add, does eBay sell Frogurt's eyeshades? 'Cuz I want 'em.
*******
What did
eponine119 say in her post? and there's our hero vs. hero battle we've been waiting for since season like one. but will it burn out the slashers if sawyer wants to kill jack? (I'm the only one who finds that hot?) Uh, NO. And may I add for good measure, DUH. God, watching one of them want to seriously kill the other is the hottest thing next to watching one of them want to seriously sex the other!!! Your slash is safe, darling.
Sawyer won't kill Jack, of course, and he'd already changed his mind by the end (he was probably thinking of Cooper's theory that they're already IN hell). But not only did I AlREADY write Sawyer's (now canon) reaction during the luau (still itching to make it an epic Sawyer chasing Jack around the world trying to kill him book), but the two of them totally broke me.
I was also so busy already being broken by Sawyer and Juliet, who sold me on their love in three scenes, sue me if you must but I think I have a few lawyers on my flist. BUT OH. Poor Sawyer. Poor Jack. Sawyer with all that pain and rage in his eyes -- looking at Jack and seeing both Jack and his daddy superimposed, if he could've done something to him after he killed his mother. Sawyer loved Juliet perfectly without a single mistep...but I think she understood that he listened to her guidance and let her call him James and put her on a pedestal because she was a mother figure. That's the only way he knows how to truly love. And maybe that was the real reason she was pushing him "out of the nest," so to speak. (No, it's not gross to sleep with her if she really *isn't* his mother.) But I keep seeing that steel beam and thinking that Sawyer has developed a steel core -- he's not the charming sleaze we saw in the AU. There was no steel there.
Jack said he was sorry, I think Sawyer grudgingly and unsympathetically understood that he meant it. Jack was a pathetic figure (he'd been raised to believe that if he does *this*, then the world will do *that,* and it just didn't work that way and he can't understand why. Oh Jack. I love you more than ever, and the whole anti-Jack world can see above re: the suing.) ;) And Sawyer had the presence of mind to get Miles to find out what Juliet said. He's still thinking, which means he's still okay, still strong enough to survive, still capable of leading even though his comment to Miles to "stop calling him boss" indicated that he's reached Jack's level of weariness with the job. Desperately damaged, but he's been there before and whatever doesn't kill him only makes him stronger.
********
Now, about the reboot. We saw a different scenario on the plane. We saw a different time on the island. We might have seen several different times on the island. Nothing made sense. There was no way to make it make sense. I can't and won't even try.
But, if infinity exists, then why can't there be an infinite number of reboots? (I swear I won't go too philosophical on your ass.) We're convinced there are only 2 reboots...but maybe we're conditioned to think that because we only have 2 feet for our boots. ;) (The statue is barefoot, btw, no boots, and yeah, it's the left foot both on land and underwater -- I strained my brain and my eyes to figure it out).
Think about an infinite number of possibilities, an infinite number of lives for our people, but maybe Darlton has chosen just a few -- say, for simplicity's sake, 2. Just for example, one where Juliet dies and is buried on the island, and one where she and James meet up for coffee - dutch. (Remember where the coffee led with Jack and Kate? Those who want to forget that part have my permission, but if we sub in Sawyer/Juliet...it could work.)
Lost could be about one or two of the infinite strings of threads that make up time and lives. Think of Jacob's tapestries. We are living only one thread, but Lost is showing us more than one thread of each character's life, obviously. It's almost silly to assume there are only 2 threads in progress. We're only seeing a couple because more than that would explode those of our brains that haven't spontaneously combusted yet.
Lost is a show that has pulled back every season to reveal more of the island, more of the people associated with it, and more of what it's there for. Yes, we old timers love the originals, but the show is about the island. I hope we'll see some redemption and some happy endings for some of our characters. But the real character is the island, and I can't wait to see if they pull back far enough to see ITS endgame (remember Jacob and Esau's conversation?)
Jacob: I take it you're here 'cause of the ship.
Esau: I am. How did they find the Island?
Jacob: You'll have to ask 'em when they get here.
Esau: I don't have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren't you?
Jacob: You are wrong.
Esau: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.
I want to see the end, whatever it is. And I think it has something to do with Richard, who is immortal and was brought to the island, presumably by Jacob on the Black Rock, in chains, for a reason. Jacob wanted him...and yeah Z, go ahead and interpret/WRITE it your way because, um, *drools*...because Richard might be the exception to time.
Time. Timelessness. Lost is about one of these.
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Date: 2010-02-05 11:50 pm (UTC)My mind has gone to so many wondrously bad places regarding Richard and chains now lol :D
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Date: 2010-02-06 03:33 pm (UTC)Everybody is having dirty thoughts about Richard in chains. Which is kinda weird since we also don't want to see him disempowered. Maybe we wanna see him seduce his way out of those chains. Hmmmm.
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Date: 2010-02-06 05:04 pm (UTC)Well, not we do!
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Date: 2010-02-06 12:09 am (UTC)When you get into alt universes, yes there should be an infinite number. But if there are really only two on Lost, I will not complain. Trying to embrace the infinite would be almost as difficult as being happy about zombies.
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Date: 2010-02-06 12:49 am (UTC)Oh, and Jacob needed Sayid's body, too, it seems.
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Date: 2010-02-06 01:35 am (UTC)("thanks" is all I get? ok well I can see how it did sound negative when I was trying to say you're brilliant)
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Date: 2010-02-06 01:41 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-02-06 06:42 pm (UTC)yes, yes and YESSS!!
That's the way I've always seen him, and that's why even if I don't really like him, I feel for him.
Compared to Jack, Sawyer is more...hmmm...adaptable, in a way. He has given up being happy a long time ago, and so it is easier for him to "survive" and go on.
Regarding the reboot and altenative realities...well, I see it very differently (for once we disagree, lol).
I am in a bit of a hurry and I can't discuss it properly right now, but if you want me to, I will come back later ^_^
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Date: 2010-02-10 05:12 am (UTC)Sawyer has always been more adaptable, probably because he grew up knowing that the world doesn't play by any rules and it certainly doesn't play fair. So he doesn't try to play; he doesn't expect things; he just gets on with surviving. That's kind of sad, too, in it's own way.
We can talk more about the reboot any time you want to. I'm open to any possibility, since I have NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON THERE!
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Date: 2010-02-08 05:27 am (UTC)I especially like your thoughts on Sayid, since I wasn't too keen on what I thought had happened there, but at this point it's really the only thing I can think of for the character that makes sense.
And that there are never-ending threads, and so many different options exist; very, very cool.
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Date: 2010-02-08 02:53 pm (UTC)I have a feeling that the Island will want him to be the New Jacob, though. Somehow I can't see him accepting the job...but the only way out seems to be death. Not good, either way. Am I thinking about this way too much?
The idea of infinite timelines blows my mind. My daughter was in a near-miss accident the other day that would've killed her if it had happened. I hope I'm not living THAT timeline somewhere! But it wouldn't be me because I'd have had completely different experiences in life. At least in the reboot our charcters still seem to be themselves. Oh Sawyer, you dog. ;)